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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emily, the losing (plaintiffs) lawyer already has a strong disincentive not to pursue a claim, because he is fronting the costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, the losing (plaintiffs) lawyer already has a strong disincentive not to pursue a claim, because he is fronting the costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am the defendant referred to in your post.  I am reluctant to endorse &#039;loser pays&#039;, despite strong temptation to do so.  I fear this would prevent worthy claims from being filed from those who may not be able to afford representation.  Now, if we adopted a system where the losing lawyer pays...  I favor the pretrial screening approach with some form of a tribunal to decide if a case against a physician has a reasonable basis to proceed.  If the tribunal decided that the case should not proceed, then the patient could still sue, but would face legal fees and, perhaps, penalties, if he lost at trial.  Perhaps, the losing attorney should bear some of the cost also. This scenario still preserves a patient&#039;s right to sue, but makes it financially risky if a lawsuit is filed over a tribunal&#039;s decision in favor of the physician.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the defendant referred to in your post.  I am reluctant to endorse &#8216;loser pays&#8217;, despite strong temptation to do so.  I fear this would prevent worthy claims from being filed from those who may not be able to afford representation.  Now, if we adopted a system where the losing lawyer pays&#8230;  I favor the pretrial screening approach with some form of a tribunal to decide if a case against a physician has a reasonable basis to proceed.  If the tribunal decided that the case should not proceed, then the patient could still sue, but would face legal fees and, perhaps, penalties, if he lost at trial.  Perhaps, the losing attorney should bear some of the cost also. This scenario still preserves a patient&#8217;s right to sue, but makes it financially risky if a lawsuit is filed over a tribunal&#8217;s decision in favor of the physician.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You as well, Dr. Kirsch.

&quot;but this doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate that the system isn’t working well. &quot;

This depends on how one defines &quot;well&quot;, doesn&#039;t it?  We can probably agree on some flaws.  However, the solutions proposed by physicians do not seem designed to address the flaws I&#039;ve seen you identify.  They seemed solely designed to protect your insurers and make it difficult for people to pursue claims, regardless of legitimacy.

Take the &quot;English Rule&quot;, for example.  Putting aside the fact that it doesn&#039;t really work as you believe it to, even in England, it is designed solely for the purpose of limiting claims by the poor.  Oddly though, while physicians are always quick to adopt European legal systems, they don&#039;t want to adopt European medical systems - why is that?

While I might be able to detect emotional flaws in my specific care, such as communication and attentiveness, I would hardly be in a position to comment on the process of how you perform the specifically medical aspects of your work.  And certainly not to extrapolate my individual experience to medicine as a whole.  I can tell good food from bad, but I can&#039;t necessary tell you if the taste is the result of the cooking temperature, the combination of spices, or the source of ingredients.  And that would relate only to my specific experience, not all of society.

Again, if you think insurers settle often and easily, well, then you clearly aren&#039;t in a position to discuss the economics of the practice of law or propose reforms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You as well, Dr. Kirsch.</p>
<p>&#8220;but this doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate that the system isn’t working well. &#8221;</p>
<p>This depends on how one defines &#8220;well&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it?  We can probably agree on some flaws.  However, the solutions proposed by physicians do not seem designed to address the flaws I&#8217;ve seen you identify.  They seemed solely designed to protect your insurers and make it difficult for people to pursue claims, regardless of legitimacy.</p>
<p>Take the &#8220;English Rule&#8221;, for example.  Putting aside the fact that it doesn&#8217;t really work as you believe it to, even in England, it is designed solely for the purpose of limiting claims by the poor.  Oddly though, while physicians are always quick to adopt European legal systems, they don&#8217;t want to adopt European medical systems &#8211; why is that?</p>
<p>While I might be able to detect emotional flaws in my specific care, such as communication and attentiveness, I would hardly be in a position to comment on the process of how you perform the specifically medical aspects of your work.  And certainly not to extrapolate my individual experience to medicine as a whole.  I can tell good food from bad, but I can&#8217;t necessary tell you if the taste is the result of the cooking temperature, the combination of spices, or the source of ingredients.  And that would relate only to my specific experience, not all of society.</p>
<p>Again, if you think insurers settle often and easily, well, then you clearly aren&#8217;t in a position to discuss the economics of the practice of law or propose reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirsch, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kirsch, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Matt.  Nice to converse with you once again. Yes, we are not lawyers, but this doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t appreciate that the system isn&#039;t working well.  I presume that you are no an M.D., but I suspect you would be fully qualified to detect serious flaws in your medical care, particularly with regard to process, communication, empathy and attentiveness.  I can&#039;t cook, but I think I can choose a fine restaurant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt.  Nice to converse with you once again. Yes, we are not lawyers, but this doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t appreciate that the system isn&#8217;t working well.  I presume that you are no an M.D., but I suspect you would be fully qualified to detect serious flaws in your medical care, particularly with regard to process, communication, empathy and attentiveness.  I can&#8217;t cook, but I think I can choose a fine restaurant.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 04:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; The key strategy is to cast a wide net and try to settle early.&quot;

These statements make me chuckle.  Do you physicians not deal with insurance companies?  Haven&#039;t you even had to file class actions which have netted hundreds of millions just to get them to honor their contracts with you?

So why on earth do you think they throw tons of money at any lawyer who files a claim?  Have you EVER settled a claim with an insurer?

Your statement reflects your complete lack of understanding of the practice of law, particularly a med mal practice. Which is not surprising, since you literally have no experience in that field.  Not only that, you also clearly haven&#039;t dealt with many liability carriers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The key strategy is to cast a wide net and try to settle early.&#8221;</p>
<p>These statements make me chuckle.  Do you physicians not deal with insurance companies?  Haven&#8217;t you even had to file class actions which have netted hundreds of millions just to get them to honor their contracts with you?</p>
<p>So why on earth do you think they throw tons of money at any lawyer who files a claim?  Have you EVER settled a claim with an insurer?</p>
<p>Your statement reflects your complete lack of understanding of the practice of law, particularly a med mal practice. Which is not surprising, since you literally have no experience in that field.  Not only that, you also clearly haven&#8217;t dealt with many liability carriers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 04:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This cost – and who knows how many thousands of other cases like this each year in the US – add to malpractice insurance premiums and likely eventually find their way into the health system as a whole in the form of higher costs. In short and as usual for litigation in this country, we all end up paying the costs of excessive litigation.&quot;

Nice sentiment, but it ignores the reality of how insurers work.  And it makes the assumption that money in the insurance industry would be transferred to healthcare.  Which makes little sense.


&quot; which trial lawyers too often try to leverage by using a threat of a “big judgment” in pre-trial settlement negotiations&quot;

Only someone who has never tried a case makes such silly assumptions.  Why do physicians think they have a system they know next to nothing about all figured out, and that jurors are so stupid?  Is it just inherent arrogance?

&quot;The current tort system sucks for both doctors and patients in its very poor ability to select out the cases with merit The only group that seems to benefit consistently from such a system is the trial lawyers.&quot;

Your first point is right.  Yet none of your &quot;reform&quot; has anything to do with paying more meritorious cases faster.  It&#039;s all dedicated to keeping people from getting paid.  So, your criticism is a little deceptive.  Particularly since that&#039;s exactly what lower pays (the English Rule which you clearly know little about) is designed to do.  Scare off the poor from filing if they don&#039;t know they have a slam dunk long before they file.

To hear you wax poetic about justice while trying to close the courthouse doors to the less fortunate is a little sickening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This cost – and who knows how many thousands of other cases like this each year in the US – add to malpractice insurance premiums and likely eventually find their way into the health system as a whole in the form of higher costs. In short and as usual for litigation in this country, we all end up paying the costs of excessive litigation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice sentiment, but it ignores the reality of how insurers work.  And it makes the assumption that money in the insurance industry would be transferred to healthcare.  Which makes little sense.</p>
<p>&#8221; which trial lawyers too often try to leverage by using a threat of a “big judgment” in pre-trial settlement negotiations&#8221;</p>
<p>Only someone who has never tried a case makes such silly assumptions.  Why do physicians think they have a system they know next to nothing about all figured out, and that jurors are so stupid?  Is it just inherent arrogance?</p>
<p>&#8220;The current tort system sucks for both doctors and patients in its very poor ability to select out the cases with merit The only group that seems to benefit consistently from such a system is the trial lawyers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your first point is right.  Yet none of your &#8220;reform&#8221; has anything to do with paying more meritorious cases faster.  It&#8217;s all dedicated to keeping people from getting paid.  So, your criticism is a little deceptive.  Particularly since that&#8217;s exactly what lower pays (the English Rule which you clearly know little about) is designed to do.  Scare off the poor from filing if they don&#8217;t know they have a slam dunk long before they file.</p>
<p>To hear you wax poetic about justice while trying to close the courthouse doors to the less fortunate is a little sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: RangelMD</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>RangelMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with everything you said above. Pretrial NON-BIASED tribunals (i.e. chosen by the court or agreed upon by both parties) appear to work well. I would also favor specialized medical malpractice courts to hear cases instead of juries made up of lay people which trial lawyers too often try to leverage by using a threat of a &quot;big judgment&quot; in pre-trial settlement negotiations. But keep in mind that as previous studies have found, the majority of medical malpractice cases that do go to trial are won by the defendant and the majority of actual cases of injury from medical malpractice are not even filed. The current tort system sucks for both doctors and patients in its very poor ability to select out the cases with merit The only group that seems to benefit consistently from such a system is the trial lawyers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you said above. Pretrial NON-BIASED tribunals (i.e. chosen by the court or agreed upon by both parties) appear to work well. I would also favor specialized medical malpractice courts to hear cases instead of juries made up of lay people which trial lawyers too often try to leverage by using a threat of a &#8220;big judgment&#8221; in pre-trial settlement negotiations. But keep in mind that as previous studies have found, the majority of medical malpractice cases that do go to trial are won by the defendant and the majority of actual cases of injury from medical malpractice are not even filed. The current tort system sucks for both doctors and patients in its very poor ability to select out the cases with merit The only group that seems to benefit consistently from such a system is the trial lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirsch, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://rangelmd.com/2010/05/time-to-re-visit-the-english-rule-for-litigation/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kirsch, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am the defendant referred to in your post.  I am reluctant to endorse &#039;loser pays&#039;, despite strong temptation to do so.  I fear this would prevent worthy claims from being filed from those who may not be able to afford representation.  Now, if we adopted a system where the losing lawyer pays...  I favor the pretrial screening approach with some form of a tribunal to decide if a case against a physician has a reasonable basis to proceed.  If the tribunal decided that the case should not proceed, then the patient could still sue, but would face legal fees and, perhaps, penalties, if he lost at trial.  Perhaps, the losing attorney should bear some of the cost also. This scenario still preserves a patient&#039;s right to sue, but makes it financially risky if a lawsuit is filed over a tribunal&#039;s decision in favor of the physician.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the defendant referred to in your post.  I am reluctant to endorse &#8216;loser pays&#8217;, despite strong temptation to do so.  I fear this would prevent worthy claims from being filed from those who may not be able to afford representation.  Now, if we adopted a system where the losing lawyer pays&#8230;  I favor the pretrial screening approach with some form of a tribunal to decide if a case against a physician has a reasonable basis to proceed.  If the tribunal decided that the case should not proceed, then the patient could still sue, but would face legal fees and, perhaps, penalties, if he lost at trial.  Perhaps, the losing attorney should bear some of the cost also. This scenario still preserves a patient&#8217;s right to sue, but makes it financially risky if a lawsuit is filed over a tribunal&#8217;s decision in favor of the physician.</p>
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